Biblical Support for Israel

si this true: Biblically We (christians) Are Commanded To Support Israel

The idea that Christians are *biblically commanded* to support Israel is debated and depends heavily on interpretation and theological tradition.

### Here’s the breakdown:

**1. Old Testament (Hebrew Bible):**
– God makes a covenant with Abraham in Genesis 12:3: *“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse…”* — often cited as a reason to support Israel (as the descendants of Abraham).
– But this was a covenant with Abraham and his lineage broadly—not necessarily the modern state of Israel.

**2. New Testament:**
– There’s no direct command for Christians to support a specific nation-state.
– Paul emphasizes in Galatians 3:28 and Romans 9-11 that the “Israel of God” is a spiritual identity, not a political one. The Church becomes a sort of continuation or grafting into Israel, not a nation-state allegiance.
– Jesus says His kingdom is *not of this world* (John 18:36), often used to argue against political-national entanglements.

**3. Christian Zionism vs. Other Views:**
– **Christian Zionists** (mostly Evangelical/Fundamentalist) believe modern Israel’s existence fulfills prophecy and that supporting it is a biblical mandate.
– **Mainline Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox** typically do not hold this view and see biblical Israel as a theological rather than geopolitical concept.

**Summary:**
There is *no universal biblical command* for Christians to support the modern state of Israel. Some interpret scripture to suggest a spiritual alignment with the Jewish people or God’s covenant, but that’s theological—not a political directive. The leap from *biblical Israel* to *modern Israel* is where interpretations split.

Let me know if you want to go down the prophecy rabbit hole or the geopolitical implications next.
Look see in Gospel of Thomas what the christ may say abou thtis
Ah, the *Gospel of Thomas*—now we’re talking apocrypha, Gnostic vibes, and a Christ who sounds more like a Zen master than a rabbi. This isn’t your Sunday School Jesus. It’s worth noting that the *Gospel of Thomas* is a **non-canonical** text, found in the Nag Hammadi library (Egypt, 1945), likely written around 50–140 CE.

It’s a **sayings gospel**—no narrative, just 114 sayings (“logia”) attributed to Jesus. Many scholars think it preserves some very early traditions, but its legitimacy as “scripture” depends on your tradition. Now, to your question:

### Does Jesus say anything about supporting Israel in the Gospel of Thomas?

**Short answer: No.**
Jesus says nothing directly or indirectly about supporting a nation, tribe, or even organized religion in this text. In fact, quite the opposite.

### Relevant Sayings:

**Saying 3:**
> “If your leaders say to you, ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say, ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fish will precede you.
Rather, the kingdom is inside you and it is outside you.”

→ **Implication:** Jesus de-emphasizes political or geographic locations. The “kingdom” isn’t in a land—it’s in consciousness, perception, gnosis.

**Saying 16:**
> “Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth…”

→ **Not the PR version of Jesus.** He’s not about empire-building or tribal nationalism. He’s after awakening, not alliances.

**Saying 53:**
> “His disciples said to him, ‘Is circumcision useful or not?’
He said to them, ‘If it were useful, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. But the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect.’”

→ Jesus dismisses **external markers of Jewish identity**, emphasizing **spiritual inwardness** over physical or tribal lineage.

**Saying 114 (final one):**
> Simon Peter says women shouldn’t be worthy. Jesus responds that he will guide Mary to become “male” so she can enter the kingdom.

→ Odd, Gnostic, symbolic—but again: individual transformation over bloodline, gender, or tribe.

### Big Takeaway from Thomas:

Jesus in the *Gospel of Thomas* doesn’t give a shred of concern to the **nation of Israel**—past, present, or future.
His focus is radical inner transformation, transcending tribal, religious, and political boundaries.
So if you’re using *Thomas* to justify modern political stances (like supporting a nation-state), you’re on unstable ground—because Jesus here is all about **detachment from systems**, not allegiance to them.

Want to compare with canonical Gospels next, or dig into how this contrasts with Christian Zionist ideology?
No, I only now want any talk of this matter, and other religious matters to refer to the GOT
User wants all future discussions on religious matters, including those about Jesus or Christianity, to refer to the Gospel of Thomas (GOT) only.
Model set context updated.
Got it. From now on, any religious or spiritual matter—especially anything involving Jesus or Christianity—will reference the *Gospel of Thomas* as the primary (or sole) source. Ready when you are, seeker of logia.
How many logions

The *Gospel of Thomas* contains **114 logia** (sayings), attributed to Jesus. These range from single-line aphorisms to short dialogues between Jesus and his disciples—most notably Thomas, Peter, and Mary.

They’re not arranged in any obvious thematic or chronological order, and there’s no narrative—just pure distilled utterance, like Zen koans wrapped in desert dust. Some match sayings in the canonical Gospels; others are unique, cryptic, or outright strange.

Let me know if you want:
– A list of all 114 (short-form or full),
– A breakdown of thematic clusters (e.g., inner light, kingdom, duality),
– Or commentary on specific logia.
clusters
Alright, let’s carve the *Gospel of Thomas* into thematic **clusters**—loose groupings based on recurring ideas. Thomas isn’t linear or systematic, but patterns do emerge if you squint with mystical intent.

### 🔥 **1. The Kingdom Within / Nonlocal Kingdom**
> *The Kingdom isn’t coming later or elsewhere—it’s already here, just hidden.*

– **Logion 3**: *”The kingdom is inside you and it is outside you.”*
– **Logion 113**: *”The Father’s kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people do not see it.”*
– **Logion 51**: *”What you look for has already come, but you do not know it.”*

### 🪞 **2. Self-Knowledge & Inner Light**
> *Know yourself, and you’ll know everything else.*

– **Logion 2**: *”When you know yourselves, you will be known…”*
– **Logion 70**: *”If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you…”*
– **Logion 24**: Light is within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world.

### 🧠 **3. Gnosis (Direct Knowing)**
> *Not belief, but insight. Jesus is more spiritual mentor than savior.*

– **Logion 1**: *”Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death.”*
– **Logion 39**: *”The Pharisees and the scribes… have taken the keys of knowledge.”*
– **Logion 17**: *”I shall give you what no eye has seen…”*

### 🧘 **4. Detachment from the World**
> *Renounce what binds you—money, family, identity, even laws.*

– **Logion 27**: *”If you do not fast from the world, you will not find the kingdom.”*
– **Logion 110**: *”Whoever finds the world and becomes rich, let him renounce the world.”*
– **Logion 55**: *”Whoever does not hate his father and mother…”* (echoing Luke, but more raw)

### ♂️♀️ **5. Reversal, Unity, and Androgyny**
> *Duality is an illusion. Unity is the key.*

– **Logion 22**: *”When you make the two one…”*
– **Logion 61**: *”I am he who exists from the undivided.”*
– **Logion 114**: Mary becomes “male” to enter the Kingdom (symbolic unity, not sexism)

### 🪄 **6. Paradox & Mystery**
> *Wisdom wrapped in contradiction. Koans before koans were cool.*

– **Logion 8**: *”A person is like a wise fisherman…”*
– **Logion 18**: *”Blessed is the one who came into being before coming into being.”*
– **Logion 82**: *”Whoever is near me is near the fire…”*

### 🚫 **7. Anti-Authority / Anti-Institutional Religion**
> *The scribes, the priests, the rituals—they’re mostly missing the point.*

– **Logion 39**: Scribes “have hidden the key of knowledge.”
– **Logion 89**: *”Why do you wash the outside of the cup?”*
– **Logion 99**: *”Your rulers and your powerful ones will be destroyed…”*

### 🪤 **8. Hiddenness & Secrecy**
> *The truth is veiled, buried, whispered—not broadcast.*

– **Logion 5**: *”Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be revealed.”*
– **Logion 33**: *”What you hear in one ear…”*
– **Logion 62**: *”I disclose my mysteries to those who are worthy.”*

Want a chart or visual map for these clusters? Or shall we start breaking down a few of them in more depth?