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Title: “The Lost Gospel Q Never Existed: Synoptic Problem and Q – YouTube”
Transcript: “was there a lost gospel name q that early Christians used and does this gospel unlock hidden clues about the early Christian Movement many scholars would say yes but I say not so fast what’s up everyone welcome to the channel be sure to hit the Subscribe button and smash the Bell notification so that you don’t miss future content today we’re going to be dealing with the question of did a lost gospel named Q ever exist and should we be using that when we are trying to come up with historical information about the early Christian Movement and about Jesus himself I’m going to be giving evidence that there never was a cue this is part two in a series on the synoptic problem check out my other video on the synoptic problem in which I argue that Mark was the first gospel that was written in this video I will be building off of what I argued for in the previous video so in this video I’ll be assuming that Mark was the first gospel that was was written and that Matthew and Luke were each using Mark when they were writing their gospels but this video is about how we know that the Lost gospel Q never actually existed many of you are probably wondering what is Q the gospel Q or some people call it the Q Source or the Q document basically Q is the result of Mark and priority so what I argued for in my previous video that Matthew and Luke each use mark That’s Mark and priority so when Scholars figured out that Mark was the first gospel that was written and that Matthew and Luke each used Mark they also realized that Matthew and Luke share about 230 verses that are not in Mark these are verses that Matthew and Luke have in common sayings of Jesus and even occasional stories that they have in common but they’re clearly not getting from their Mark source and so Scholars hypothesized that there must have been another source that Matthew and Luke each used just like they used Mark Scholars call this hypothetical Source Q which comes from the German word word quella which means Source nowadays many scholars think that Q is the earliest Source in the gospels and that it is a lost gospel that gives us our most important information and most reliable information about Jesus importantly if Q existed it would mean that there is an early gospel that doesn’t have Jesus’s death and Resurrection meaning that maybe the resurrection wasn’t all that important for some of the earliest Christians or maybe they didn’t believe in it it’s obvious why the Q hypothesis is appealing to Modern critical Scholars who emphasize the early Christianity had a plurality of different views and doctrines so when we’re dealing with questions like was there this hypothetical Source called cue that Matthew and Luke each used I think it’s very important to keep a famous principle called Occam’s razor in mind Occam’s razor is basically a principle that is used to see what is the starting likelihood of of two different hypotheses when you have two different hypotheses before you actually look at the evidence how do you determine which one starts off as being more probable than the other one Occam’s razor is the idea that when there are two competing theories that explain the data the simplest one is more probably true in other words a theory with fewer hypotheticals by which I mean unproven ideas starts off with a higher probability than a theory that has more hypotheticals or unproven ideas if a hypothesis can explain all of the data without appealing to unproven ideas it is better than a hypothesis that appeals to lots of unproven ideas this is what it means that the simplest explanation is the best of course for A Simple Theory to be the best it has to be able to explain all of the data just as well as a complex Theory so when we apply Occam’s razor to cue the question is how to explain the 230 verses that are in Matthew and Luke but not in the gospel of Mark these verses are called the double tradition because they’re in two gospels Matthew and Luke the Q hypothesis invents a hypothetical or unproven gospel to explain the double tradition it says that both Matthew and Luke were using this unproven gospel which we call Q and that’s why Matthew and Luke have so much in common that isn’t in Mark however there’s another hypothesis called the fairer hypothesis and this hypothesis says that Mark wrote his gospel first and then Matthew wrote his gospel using the gospel of Mark Luke comes along Luke has Matthew and Mark and so Luke is copying out Mark but then he notices that Matthew has a lot of material not in Mark so he copies some of that material over as well and so the fair hypothesis does not appeal to any hypothetical documents and it just says that Luke was using Matthew and Mark therefore the Q hypothesis starts off being less probable than the pharah hypothesis since the fair hypothesis doesn’t come up with any new hypothetical gospels or sources whereas the Q hypothesis does so Scholars who believe in Q realize that if Matthew and Luke are not writing independently from each other then there’s no reason to believe in q this is because if Luke knew the gospel of Matthew then the double tradition could more simply be explained as Luke just copying down passages that are in Matthew but not in mark this is because Occam’s razor says that the simplest explanation is best therefore Q theorists have to argue that the authors of Luke and Matthew did not know the other person’s gospel they had to be writing independently from one another this is the only way to say that Q is therefore the best explanation only if Luke and Matthew definitely didn’t know the other person’s gospel then the best explanation is that they must be getting it from another source that we just don’t have anymore but the Matthew but not in mark this is because Occam’s razor says that the simplest explanation is best therefore Q theorists have to argue that the authors agreements comes into play minor Agreements are instances in which Matthew and Luke change Mark in the exact same way remember that Mark is one of the sources of Matthew and Luke it is a different Source than the supposed q and so if Matthew and Luke change Mark in the exact same way that would be good evidence that they are not writing independently of each other but that one of them knows the other person’s gospel therefore if Matthew and Luke both make the same change to mark this would be good evidence that Luke did know Matthew and Luke well actually there are virtually no triple tradition Cricket piece without such agreements according to Sanders and Davies this means that almost every single passage that occurs in Matthew Mark and Luke has minor agreements in which Matthew and Luke agree with each other against mark while it’s hard to come up with a precise count because Scholars debate about what does and does not count as a minor agreement probably the largest list of Minor agreements comes from Richard B Vinson who counted are copying each other there should be virtually no significant minor agreements between Matthew and Luke if they are writing independently but instead there are just as many minor agreements as the gospels that we know are not writing independently from each other now so far all of this evidence that I’ve given is mostly just theoretical and I feel like it’s hard to really grasp the thrust of the argument from minor agreements until you actually see some minor agreements for yourself so that’s what we’re going to do for the died but Matthew and Luke both changed the word last to later the Greek word for later here is uncommon in the New Testament but it is mostly used by Matthew therefore it would be improbable that Matthew and Luke would both independently changed the way last to later is more likely that Matthew made the change in then Luke was using Matthew’s gospel and so he copied over the change another example comes from Mark 527 Mark says she came up behind him in the crowd and touched His Garment this is a woman coming to Jesus and here and it just seems improbable that they are both making these exact same changes independently from one another another example comes from Mark 2 3 and in Market says and they came to him bringing a paralytic carried by four but Matthew and Luke both make some of the same changes Matthew and Luke both add the word behold and behold and they both add in the phrase upon a bed that the man was upon a bed these are all the exact same words in the Greek in common between Matthew and Luke and so it just seems improbable that they would a row exactly the same between two sources it just seems very improbable that that could be the result of them both independently changing mark this next one is one of the most famous minor agreements between Matthew and Luke against Mark so in mark it says and some began to spit on him and to blindfold him and to beat him with their fists and to say to him prophesy remember this is when Jesus is being beaten before his crucifixion by the Roman soldiers but Matthew and Luke both add in another string of five identical words in Greek resurrection and therefore this cannot be coming from Q material also um there is no manuscript evidence that this is a minor agreement due to scribal changes so you can’t say that maybe a scribe copying the Gospel of Luke saw it in Matthew and then copied it down into Luke as well or you can’t say that maybe Mark originally had it but then a scribe accidentally left it off and the reason you can’t say that is because there is no manuscript evidence there are no manuscripts in which it is added in to is an uncommon word and Luke copied it over but the idea that they would both add in a sentence both using uncommon vocabulary strains credulity that’s why this is one of the most famous minor agreements in demonstrating that Luke and Matthew are not writing independently from one another but this next one is actually my favorite minor agreement between Matthew and Luke and it is a minor agreement in Omission meaning they both leave something out Matthew and Luke do so in mark it says just as it is written in Isaiah the written in Isaiah the prophet and then he gives a quote from Malachi and then a quote from Isaiah so you could try to argue that they independently did this because they saw that as a problem that he calls it a quote from Isaiah when it’s coming from Malachi but interestingly they both add that quote back in to the exact same place in their Gospels so it says but what did you go out to see a prophet yes I tell you and one who’s more than a prophet so this is Jesus talking about John the Baptist this is the one about Whom It is written then later they kept it in the queue material and that’s why they both deleted earlier and then they both have it in the same place later on so this would be one attempt at explaining this minor agreement under the Q hypothesis but there’s a problem with that and the problem is that this is not coming from Q material this is actually quoting the gospel of Mark when Mark quoted Malachi 3 1 Mark actually changed Malachi a little bit and in Matthew and Luke when they caught the same passage later on in Old Testament instead Matthew and Luke are clearly quoting from the gospel of Mark’s version of the Old Testament quotation therefore this court Matthew and Luke is not coming from Q material because Q didn’t know the gospel of Mark and Mark didn’t know the gospel of Q if if Q actually existed that’s what Q theorists say they didn’t know each other so they could not be coming from Q material Q couldn’t have quoted the gospel of Mark but instead Matthew and Luke are clearly quoting the gospel of Mark this means there was no hypothetical Source Q Matthew and Luke aren’t writing independently from one another but instead Luke is copying from both the gospel of Mark and the gospel of Matthew so some Q theorists ask the question if Luke knew the gospel of Matthew why does Luke not copy in any of the stories that Matthew added to mark why or do we only have minor agreements but not any major agreements or major stories uh that Matthew added to mark why does Luke not copy any of those in but the obvious answer is he did and this is the double Mark I’m talking about when Matthew edits a story that is in Mark and maybe adds a lot to it why does Luke only copy the minor changes making minor agreements why are there no major agreements between Matthew and Luke against Mark but again there are there are plenty of these I’m going to give you three examples the first one comes from John the Baptist’s teaching so um all of the material that is highlighted is Matthew and Luke’s major agreement against Mark so Mark had a shortened version of the story Matthew and Luke and so this would be a major agreement against Mark um and so under the Pharaoh hypothesis Matthew added in this material and Luke copied it over a third example comes from when the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign Mark just says and the Pharisees came out and began to argue with him demanding from him a sign from Heaven to test him sighing deeply in his Spirit he said why does this generation demand a sign truly I say to you no sign will be given to this generation that’s the end of sentence Matthew and Luke both go on same story and Q had a longer version of it and so Matthew and Luke both add in the queue material to Mark and so that’s kind of how they get around the major agreements but the minor Agreements are what are really problematic for the Q hypothesis because it’s in my opinion it’s impossible to explain how you could have over 2 000 minor agreements where Matthew and Luke make the same changes to Mark and it’s clearly not coming from Q material and if anyone says why are there no major agreements against Mark”

The video argues against the existence of a lost gospel named Q that many scholars believe early Christians used. Q is a hypothetical source that is said to be the result of Mark and priority, and it is believed to be an early gospel that provides important and reliable information about Jesus. The video uses Occam’s razor principle to argue that the fair hypothesis, which says that Luke used both Matthew and Mark when writing his gospel, is more probable than the Q hypothesis. The Q hypothesis assumes that Matthew and Luke wrote independently from each other, but the video argues that there is no reason to believe that they did not know each other’s gospel. Therefore, the simplest explanation is that the double tradition passages in Matthew and Luke were copied from Matthew and not from an unknown gospel source.
Can you provide a counterargument?
Yes, a counterargument to the position presented in the video would be to argue that there is actually evidence to support the existence of the hypothetical gospel source known as “Q”. While Occam’s Razor is a useful principle for evaluating competing hypotheses, it is not a foolproof method for determining the truth of a matter. In some cases, a more complex explanation may be necessary to account for all of the available evidence.

For example, proponents of the Q hypothesis point to the fact that Matthew and Luke share not only material that is not found in Mark, but also material that is found in a different order in both gospels. This suggests that they were not simply copying from each other or from a common source, but rather drawing from a shared source that is not extant in the same way that Mark’s gospel is.

Furthermore, scholars have noted that the material in Q appears to have a distinct theological and literary style that is different from both Mark and the material unique to Matthew and Luke. This suggests that Q was a distinct document, rather than simply a collection of sayings or traditions.

Ultimately, the question of the existence of Q is a matter of scholarly debate, and different scholars may come to different conclusions based on the available evidence. It is important to evaluate competing hypotheses carefully and to remain open to revising one’s views in light of new evidence or arguments.
Please point out the ‘actual evidence to suppor the existence of the Q document’ that you mentioned.
The Q source is a hypothetical document that many scholars believe was used as a source by the authors of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. While there is no physical evidence of the Q document, scholars infer its existence based on the similarities between the material shared by Matthew and Luke that is not found in the Gospel of Mark.

Some of the evidence used to support the Q hypothesis includes:

1. Agreement between Matthew and Luke: There are large portions of material in Matthew and Luke that are identical or nearly identical but not found in Mark’s Gospel. This suggests that Matthew and Luke were drawing from a shared source, which has been named “Q.”

2. Structure of the material: The material in Q is typically presented in a structured and organized way, suggesting that it was a written document rather than an oral tradition.

3. Style and language: The material in Q uses a distinct style and vocabulary that is different from that used in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, further supporting the idea that it was a separate source.

4. Early Christian references: Some early Christian writers, such as Papias and Clement of Alexandria, referred to sayings of Jesus that are not found in the canonical Gospels but are similar to material found in Q.

While the existence of the Q document cannot be definitively proven, many scholars believe that the evidence points strongly to its existence as a source for the Gospels of Matthew and Luke.
How do all of the relate to the Gospel of Thomas?
The Gospel of Thomas is a non-canonical text discovered in 1945 as part of the Nag Hammadi Library. It is a collection of 114 sayings or logia attributed to Jesus, without any narrative or biographical material.

The relationship between the Gospel of Thomas and Q is a matter of scholarly debate. Some scholars suggest that both texts draw on a common source, while others propose that one text is dependent on the other.

One theory suggests that the Gospel of Thomas and Q share a common source, which scholars refer to as “Proto-Thomas-Q.” This hypothetical source is thought to have contained the sayings of Jesus that were later used in both texts.

Another theory proposes that the Gospel of Thomas was dependent on Q or one of its sources. This theory suggests that the Gospel of Thomas was a later development of the Jesus tradition found in Q, and that it was influenced by the theology of the Gnostic movement.

There are also scholars who argue that the Gospel of Thomas and Q are unrelated, and that any similarities between the two texts are coincidental.

Overall, the relationship between the Gospel of Thomas and Q is complex and remains a subject of ongoing scholarly debate.
please tell more about this “Proto-Thomas-Q.”
“Proto-Thomas-Q” is a hypothetical source document that some scholars propose as a common source for both the Gospel of Thomas and the Q document. The theory suggests that both the Gospel of Thomas and Q were based on a common source or tradition that may have circulated in the earliest Christian communities. The idea is that this common source, sometimes referred to as “Proto-Thomas-Q,” was a collection of sayings or teachings of Jesus that were passed down orally by the early followers of Jesus.

Some scholars argue that this common source was a written document, while others suggest that it was an oral tradition that was eventually written down in various forms. According to this theory, the authors of the Gospel of Thomas and Q drew on this common source, each selecting and arranging the sayings in their own unique way.

There is some evidence to support the idea of a common source behind the Gospel of Thomas and Q, such as similarities in the wording and structure of certain sayings. However, the theory of “Proto-Thomas-Q” remains controversial among scholars, and not all agree on the existence or nature of such a document or tradition.
Where Does Paul the Apostle fit in this timeline if any?
Paul the Apostle, also known as Saint Paul, is believed to have lived from approximately 5 AD to 67 AD. He was a contemporary of Jesus and was initially a persecutor of Christians before his conversion on the road to Damascus.

In terms of the development of the New Testament, Paul’s letters are some of the earliest Christian writings that have survived. His letters, which are included in the New Testament, were likely written between 50 AD and 64 AD, which is earlier than any of the canonical Gospels. Paul’s letters are considered important sources of information about early Christian beliefs and practices, as well as the historical context in which the Christian movement emerged.

It’s worth noting, however, that Paul was not directly involved in the development of the Gospels or their authorship. He did not meet Jesus during his lifetime and his writings do not contain any detailed accounts of Jesus’ life or teachings. However, Paul’s teachings and theology had a significant impact on the development of early Christianity and the formation of the New Testament canon.
Paul writes that he travelled around Judea asking locals about what they knew or heard.

In Paul’s letter to the Galatians, he describes his early life and ministry. He states that after his conversion to Christianity, he went to Arabia and then returned to Damascus. After three years, he went to Jerusalem and met with Peter and James, the brother of Jesus.

Later, he traveled throughout the region, including Judea, to preach the Gospel. It is possible that during his travels, he asked locals about what they knew or heard, as he was trying to spread the message of Christianity and establish new communities of believers. However, there is no specific mention of this in his letters, and the extent of his interactions with locals is not clear.